Has anyone even confirmed that this organization is the same as the Campaign for Liberty that's related to Ron Paul. It looks to me like it's something else.
yeah where are the C4L people on this?Originally Posted by MRoCkEd
Looks like C4L will fit right in at the TEAOCON convention.
This is pretty shocking. There is nothing on Buck's website that distinguishes him from any other AIPAC-pwned neocon.
I think the fact that Gary Howard is speaking for the expenditure is pretty damning.
Every one of us should go put a CFL blog entry up about this very topic.
Is CFL going to cease and desist with this guy?
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The candidate could be pulling the typical Jingoism and Jargon to get elected and THEN, pull a Bushy/Obozo 180 on campaign promises.
We've seen it before... so who knows what's up with this guy. What's his voting record?
He has one strike for being another Attorney into government politics...
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Notice what it says here:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/...for-ken-bucks/
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not. I think people here are jumping to conclusions.It’s unclear whether the “Campaign for Liberty” praising Buck is the same “Campaign for Liberty” behind Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential bid.
Maybe the rules changed following the recent Supreme Court decision that overturned parts of McCain-Feingold?As an EX- state coordinator for the C4L, I cannot imagine that this
ad campaign is what it looks like it is.....
They are always pounding the "no supporting candidates" drum.
Just sayin....we need more info, but if this is true...................
But what about Gary Howard????
Liberty, of course, has her price in blood, if we do not suppport her when she is in trouble.
Yes, it is confirmed. Friend of mine contacted Mr. Howard and could not get a satisfactory explanation.
This is a $#@! up that may cripple the CFL. Pretty much shows it is a top down org since none of the members are deciding where their money goes.
$350,000 that could have been spent on actual liberty related projects.
Yes, it is confirmed. Friend of mine contacted Mr. Howard and could not get a satisfactory explanation.
This is a $#@! up that may cripple the CFL. Pretty much shows it is a top down org since none of the members are deciding where their money goes.
$350,000 that could have been spent on actual liberty related projects.
I am so glad I stepped down last week....this is just horrible.....
Liberty, of course, has her price in blood, if we do not suppport her when she is in trouble.
You're right. I wasn't familiar with Gary Howard.
This is just really surprising to me.
Who is the CFL infiltrator(s) that approved this expenditure?
Yeah grassroots did so much better with a f#cking $400,000 blimpYes, it is confirmed. Friend of mine contacted Mr. Howard and could not get a satisfactory explanation.
This is a $#@! up that may cripple the CFL. Pretty much shows it is a top down org since none of the members are deciding where their money goes.
$350,000 that could have been spent on actual liberty related projects.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...video.php#moreGary Howard, communications director for the Campaign For Liberty, told TPMDC that the ad is not an endorsement of Buck, but is instead intended to promote their candidate surveys. "It's not a support ad or an endorsement ad, it's just based on our candidate surveys," said Howard. "And we want every candidate to answer our surveys. So as soon as another candidate answers our survey, we'll probably do another ad stating that."
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/pr...er=Gary_Howard
Interesting that Gary has not been on in almost a month. Has he gone rouge?? Someone from C4L has about 24 hours to reply to this or im canceling my membership.Gary Howard
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Also to those saying that its not a endorsement, or a support to this candidate... Its still $350,000 that could have been used on some MUCH better purposes.
Apples and oranges.Yeah grassroots did so much better with a f#cking $400,000 blimp
At least the donators knew where their money was going - on a blimp in support of a legit liberty candidate.
Not a penny more. And Ron Paul has his name on this organization. 2.5 million that was leftover from the presidential campaign was funneled into the CFL.
So much for principles. I wish Ron didn't trust people so much. The sad part is that I seriously doubt Ron had any say at all in this bull$#@!.
Maxed out to ALL of Ron Paul's campaigns.
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That Open Secrets link points to campaign finance reports for Campaign for Liberty from 2006, but C4L didn't even exist until after Dr. Paul suspended his presidential campaign in 2008. How is that even possible?
This really pisses me off. The next letter iget asking ofr donations, I am going to tell them where to stick it. This is just the exact same B.S. we are fighting against, if this is true it is clear that the CFL is only concerned about keeping the dollars flowing in and growing their organization, just like the problem with most elected candidates. Looks like a classic sell-out to me.
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The advertisement and Howard's statement show that our C4L was involved, but perhaps they got the $350,000 figure wrong?
Nope its not. Because Trevor used email lists not intended for their purpose (money bomb) and used it for his own ventures. Same kind of $#@!. Collect something (email/money) then use it for something else/unexpected.
It is disgusting that the C4L isn't transparent with its money.
So it might not be OUR C4L?
I don't disagree, but what are they selling out for? What could they possibly gain from supporting some no-name neocon that's only at 15% in the polls? Who is this supposed to bring in?
http://www.opensecrets.org/usearch/i...FORID%3A11#890 who knows
To Split the neo-con vote further? lol
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